HARRY s apartment from When Harry Met SallyHARRY is asleep on his couch On the table next to him are a mostly empty bottle of bourbon and a copy of PhaedrusEnter SOCRATES SOCRATES Good evening, Harry.
HARRY How SOCRATES Don t worry, I m not real This is a dream.
HARRY Uh SOCRATES I see you re reading Phaedrus Looking for advice, maybe HARRY I I just can t understand how I could have done it Why did I fuck her I ve ruined everything.
SOCRATES You re sure about that HARRY We had such a great thing going We weren t, like, dating, so we could hang out and have fun and talk There wasn t any jealousy or possessiveness or any of that crap It was perfect SOCRATES Because you weren t lovers, you could enjoy each other s company muchHARRY Exactly We did so many goofy things You know, there was this one time we were in a diner togetherSOCRATES And what hap 3,5 5 , , , ,,readathon18 8 13 5 3
A Twist in Your TogaAs they say in the classics, I m glad I reviewed The Symposium before Phaedrus the two relate to similar subject matter, it s uncertain in what order they were written However, Phaedrus isn t the toga party that The Symposium was, primarily because there are less participants And everybody knows, the bigger the toga party, the better Well, it has a potential forsurprises, though apart from the surprise element, I don t think there s anything intrinsically wrong with a toga party for two Under Plane or Chaste Tree Ironically, my assessment of the number of participants might not be strictly correct It s a tribute to Plato s metafictional structure that, in both cases, only two people are speaking in the present The difference lies in how many people s views they recount in significant detail, too.
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com review show the topic is love, but here, instead of looking at many different aspects of love, the topic is, initially, who is the better object of a man s love One should keep in mind that one of the positions defended in theSymposiumis the most noble form of love is that of a mature, virtuous man together with a young, inexperienced man, because the latter could learn thereby from the former how to be a man of virtue over, because they could go to war or to the assemblies of solely male citizens together, the .
It would be easy to say this dialogue is about love, except that the Phaedrus isn t actually about love alone, but also about the power of rhetoric and why we need to be aware of that power One of the things I ve particularly noticed in this read through of the dialogues is how attracted Socrates is to pretty young men In one of the dialogues he even mentions how tongue tied he starts off being while talking to a particularly beautiful young man And sometimes it is fairly obvious that he is showing off in front of them I have heard a tradition of the ancients, whether true or not they only know although if we found the truth ourselves, do you think that we should care much about the opinions of men Delightful rumination on the contrast of rhetoric and philosophy, on the written against the spoken and the madness which is love I read this as grist for a Derrida project which failed to appear on command Other tools require being readied.
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